# Do IBB earn points?

Not sure where else to ask this, but have intentional walks always not counted in stats?

Randomly looking at two players (Joc Pederson & Aaron Judge), they were each walked intentionally (3 and 19 times, respectively) and those points are not included in their season points.

I think you can start new topics instead of latching on to unrelated ones. Could you show your work here?

Linear weights and wOBA remove IBB and Justin Merryâ€™s original posts donâ€™t mention IBB.

To clarify a bit, itâ€™s not that Ottoneu (or linear weights) donâ€™t count IBB itâ€™s that they donâ€™t differentiate IBB. Judge had 111 BB and 19 of those were IBB. He scored 333 points for walks, as he should.

For example, on 9/30 Judge got 4 PA. Ottoneu records 2 AB, 1 1B, and 2BB, for 9.6 points. The FanGraphs game log shows the same but also specifies 1 IBB. That IBB is one of the two BB, not an additional one. If you go to the play by play for that day youâ€™ll see that Judge struck out in the first, singled in the third, drew a walk in the sixth and was intentionally walked in the eighth. So he was credited with two walks and the fact that one was intentional is immaterial

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Fair enough. The playersâ€™ Fangraphs game stats differentiate the two (BB vs IBB), so when I was running calculations, I kept coming up slightly short. It makes sense that ottoneu counts all walks as walks.

Laziness on my part, I should have checked an actual game.

It never really made sense to me to not value an IBB at all (i.e., what FGâ€™s wOBA does, not Ottoneu). Itâ€™s still a positive contribution to a teamâ€™s chance of scoring a run, not inert. I donâ€™t even see a good argument for discountng much, if at all. A baserunner is a baserunner, an out not made is an out not made.

IBB are relatively rare these days (Jose Ramirez lead the majors with 20 in 2022). But in 2004, Bonds had a 120. If you count his IBB, he would have earned around 11.1 PPG; without those, he would have earned around 8.5, had Ottoneu been around back then of course.