Penalty-free Cuts and the 30-day reauction rule

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I understand that when I take over a team I get one round of penalty free cuts. BUT:

When I do this, and cut the dead weight, do the other rules regarding drops still apply: IE, rule V.g. Am I prohibited from nominating or bidding on those players for 30 days?

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Yes, the 30 day rule still applies for these cuts.

UPDATE I need to double-check this answer as it may be wrong.

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In practice, the 30-day rule is not in place. Also, p-f cut players do not pass through waivers and can reauction at $1.

Is all of that a feature or a bug? Mediating a dispute in my league right now, because this is the first time we have changed owners mid season.

Rule doesn’t say:

If a team changes ownership, the new owner is given the opportunity to make one round of penalty-free cuts.

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I am working on clarifying this right now. Thinking it over, it seems to me that the 30-day rule should not apply for penalty-free cuts. PF cuts are a way to extend the keeper deadline in the case of an ownership change, and cuts at the keeper deadline are not subject to the 30-day rule.

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Meanwhile, I’ve fixed the bug that allowed teams to bid on players that they had cut penalty-free in the last 30 days. Teams were never able to re-nominate players that they had cut in the last 30 days, and now they cannot bid on them either.

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Thanks for the quick work on this!

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FYI…2 of 3 owners who commented on this in my league didn’t mind that the new owner could rebid. They figured an abandoned team needed to overcome mismanagement, and any attempt to underbid the market would be thwarted by other owners.

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Yeah, I tend to agree with that line of thinking. I wanted to make the site consistent first.

In the off-season I will add a “penalty-free” flag to transactions and remove the 30-day limitation for bidding and nominating players in the case of a penalty-free transaction.

This won’t change in the middle of this season, though.

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I have thought through this issue when I picked up a team mid-season. The advantage that the new owner gets if they don’t have to wait for 30 days is that they can cut anyone that might potentially be overpriced and then just put a high bid on them. That’s a pretty big advantage to adjust everyone on your team down to market price, at worst. If the 30 day rule is intact, then they have to weigh the value of owning an overpriced valuable player vs having the cap space, which is pretty essential to Otto.

For example, say the new owner owned Trout at $80. They can safely cut him and put in a bid for $90 and force the ‘market’ to bid him up. The downside for them is almost nothing and the upside is that teams in the league don’t properly push his value up and they get him at a discount. They can do that for anyone on their team that’s near market price and the rest of the league is forced to bid these guys up to ‘market’ value when they probably have minimal cap space. And they could set it up so all the auctions end within the same minute or two, which is a huge advantage for them because they’d likely be the only team with cap space that could win multiple auctions without endangering their cap situation. That could be pretty disruptive to a league.

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I just posted to troubleshooting about this, but reading over this thread again and I might be confused. Is the final word that P-F cuts can be re-auctioned and bid on by the P-F cutting new owner only in the off-season or all the time?

In the off-season I will add a “penalty-free” flag to transactions and remove the 30-day limitation for bidding and nominating players in the case of a penalty-free transaction.

This won’t change in the middle of this season, though.

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Per this thread:

The off-season is the time from the end of arbitration up until the league’s draft is completed. If penalty-free cuts are executed during that time, the team that made those cuts will be able to bid on the players they cut in the Auction Draft.

If penalty-free cuts are executed after the league’s draft takes place, they are considered in-season cuts and are beholden to the 30-day reauction rule for the reasons outlined by @walkerpilot up thread.

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